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PostSubject: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:08 pm

Hi,

I think most of you read the topic by Romo in this section, but if someone didn't, I advise you to do so. I spoke to Ortilio Cisneros yesterday and made a clear point on how the whole shit works. I assume most of you don't know, so basically it'll be useful and I'd like to hear your opinion, because there is a reason why you can see this section.

Llaveros will be holding seperate gangs, instead of turfs like it was discussed in the beginning. To make it short;

Dennis Ayala < Frank Noriega < Ortilio Cisneros.

Frank Noriega is a middleman, salesman or Mesa in other words. He represents Dennis Ayala on the yard. Noriega is Ayala's eyes, mouth and ears. Cisneros represents Ayala, too, though he does that on the outside. He collects the tax from gangs that are under Ayala, but he never gets close to Ayala. What I mean is, he stays in contact only with Noriega. This is where all the interesting part begins, because it creates roleplay for all parties.

I think we should establish such thing, or if you have something else in your mind, please let us know. Ask if you don't understand.
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:12 pm

I could swear I witnessed people do it before the way you suggested and it's realistic. Go for it.
Turf is impossible to handle on Los Santos Roleplay for longer periods of time because there's too many changes done so often gangs usually disappear in quiet areas (Las Colinas is a great example, I had to run my own gang for the sake of activity there). But by carnales tying themselves to certain gangs, pulling the best out only through their Mesa and street soldiers, profit is much more likely to come.

I support you completely.
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:14 pm

IMO the mesero and the llavero shouldn't have anything to do with eachother, only in special cases. If you can get someone to roleplay a female relative (wife, sister, mother, girlfriend) than do so and keep touch with the street operation through her.
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:18 pm

Juan_Fortuna wrote:
IMO the mesero and the llavero shouldn't have anything to do with eachother, only in special cases. If you can get someone to roleplay a female relative (wife, sister, mother, girlfriend) than do so and keep touch with the street operation through her.

Why not? It keeps the carnal from llavero and he doesn't need to handle anything, because he has a representative, that is Mesa, who handles all the shit for him on the yard and outside. Llavero is able to handle all the street operation for carnal, but through the Mesa. It keeps carnal out of trouble and possibility to get segregated from gen pop. Oh and yeah, my character got his phone shizzle revoked. He can't call anyone. I assume other carnals can't, too.
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:26 pm

Cus it doesn't work like that IRL, Mesero is responsible for the prison yard and that's it.
And having your phone shizzle revoked can't really stop you from calling from another guy's shizzle.
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:34 pm

That's the whole point of this topic. We can't make everything realistic. This is LSRP. The way we operate in prison isn't realistic, too. Hell, how come we know what's realistic and what's not? We're not even a part of the EME. I even have a doubt in the books that are released. Don't get me wrong, I understand you. I'm all for it to make it as realistic as possible, but this was my suggestion and I thought it'd be the right way to do so.
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:37 pm

It's not painfully unrealistic but imo if we can involve female characters in the faction it would enhance the realism feeling. If you can't then do the above.
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:42 pm

There's no problem with some parts of the map like El Corona and Jefferson because there's always going to be Sureños, but Las Colinas always varies. It always had. In the "old EME," I always struggled to maintain activity in that part because there were simply no gangs for some time of the year, so eventually I had to open my gangs and run them, and it's hard doing so being in prison with no interest from people about dead areas of the turf map.

What is Dennis suggesting basically is that turf location is replaced with gang control. You don't necessarily lose anything Juan, because El Corona will always be gang infested neighborhood and your roots origin from there, obviously you keep the same gang. But for the rest this is much much much better, especially for carnales up North and East.

Ultimately we could do everything realistic, but with current amount of carnales and soldiers on the streets (I've been bringing this up for decent amount of time—carnales have to recruit more soldiers from active gangs so they provide full loyalty to us and spark up drug and weapon trade) I just can't see it happen. Los Santos Roleplay just varies too much with stability of its gangs because people grow boredom and leave. Regardless, IMO wife characters are a must to do transfers of cash.
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:21 am

Oh well gang control is a must, wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the chain of command.
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:27 am

Let's use the gang control, but the chain can be changed in the way you see it fits the best, depending on the carnal I assume.
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:25 am

From what I understand it's like a pyramid?
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PostSubject: Re: Carnal, Mesa and Llavero   Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:45 pm

In real life the carnal wouldn't have a mesero unless they were in the the SHU or unable to be present on the yard for other reasons. However when they are unable to be present on the yard daily, they have camaradas working the streets and in the prison on their behalf. It's macro managing. They'd just be updated and big problems would be brought up to them, for example if a conflict of interest with another carnal came into the picture.

I too agree with the fact that the mesa shouldn't have anything to do with the streets, it's simply not their business. It's the carnal's, but then again, it would require people to be on so they could in fact be in touch with people on the streets regularly. I guess it boils down to the carnal's discretion though, if he doesn't have any contact with the street, he's unlikely to be charged with a RICO charge and what not and it keeps him in the claer.

On the streets it usually goes Carnal - Carnal's trusted wife or girlfriend - llavero - crew chief, aka gang leaders. Often there's lawyers involved so they can send previliged letters to them, and they send it to a third party. This way they ensure DoC don't interfare with the messages, as they aren't allowed to by law.

In prison, it's Carnal - mesa - surenos. Mesa is a system that was put in place when they started the SHU program, and keeps the carnales off the mainlines, and the mesa system allows them to control the yards without presence. There's nothing written in stone when it comes to how carnales run their crews, it's their crews. They do as they please, they are one step under God in their and other carnales' eyes. As long as they don't interfare with any other carnales' business, it boils down to each carnal's discretion how he wants his crew to be represented, who gets how much money and so on.
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